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  • @lament what do you think of the Disintegration remaster? For me through earphones it's just way too 'boomy' - I have decent Sennheisers that can handle quite a lot, but many of my favourite tracks are spoiled by it being much too bassy. Sometimes late at night I start it at Prayers For Rain and find that this song and most of the remaining ones are almost unlistenable. I've tried changing the EQ but I keep thinking I will just go back to the original recording that I have enjoyed for years anyway

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    Can I just give a mention to Bloodflowers? It's really quite good. There are no memorable songs or anything but it really does sustain THAT mood

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    I'd say Out of This World, Watching Me Fall and There is No If... are pretty memorable.

    I was actually able to score Bloodflowers on vinyl, still sealed, at my local store. That was a good day.

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    Thunderbolt said:
    @lament what do you think of the Disintegration remaster? For me through earphones it's just way too 'boomy' - I have decent Sennheisers that can handle quite a lot, but many of my favourite tracks are spoiled by it being much too bassy. Sometimes late at night I start it at Prayers For Rain and find that this song and most of the remaining ones are almost unlistenable. I've tried changing the EQ but I keep thinking I will just go back to the original recording that I have enjoyed for years anyway

    The proper album remaster is a little boomy but it doesn't bother me as much as this godawful "Entreat Plus" remix. I mean I appreciate the additional songs, but why did Robert have to REMIX the album? He fucking ruined it.

    I'm listening to it again and I'm sick.. so bad. The original live album sounds absolutely gorgeous.

    And while we're at it.. what do you think of Robert recording NEW vocals for the Glove remaster "demos" on the 2nd disc? Those clearly aren't the original 1983 vocals lol.. who is he trying to fool?

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    @lament @Thunderbolt - Disintegration remastered has too much bass, that's true, but don't forget that the original version was bass shy..Problem is they overdid it on the remaster. Also, the original was mixed way too low, in fact it had 'play this music loud' printed on the inner sleeve. You really had to crank up the volume on that album, and, if you had the vinyl version, you ran the risk of damaging the speakers because of turntable rumble/feedback.

    @lament - I don't think Robert ruined Entreat, in fact I think it sounds better than the original album. But then, nobody has the same audio set up. A terrible sounding album on my set up can sound brilliant on yours and vice versa.

    edit - what I sure know is that, compared to some remastered albums I heard, The Cure ones are ,on the whole, excellent.

  • I didn't get the expanded Disintegration (just the single disc one) so haven't heard Entreat Plus yet. I do really like the album remasters but for me they overdid Disintegration.

    Good shout for Bloodflowers, I find it an excellent album from start to finish, The Dream Tour in 2000 was awesome.

    Big Cure fan, long may this thread run!

  • The reason I am not a huge fan of The Top is that after getting into the band in 1990, I bought all the pre-Disintegration albums as and when I came across them (mostly on cassette!) and it simply didn't impact me like all their other albums. There was a time when I didn't play it for years. I bought the remaster through gritted teeth and have given it time in recent years, it's grown on me a bit but it will never be a favourite. It's my least favourite alongside 4:13 Dream

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    RedCarpet said:
    @lament @Thunderbolt - Disintegration remastered has too much bass, that's true, but don't forget that the original version was bass shy..Problem is they overdid it on the remaster. Also, the original was mixed way too low, in fact it had 'play this music loud' printed on the inner sleeve. You really had to crank up the volume on that album, and, if you had the vinyl version, you ran the risk of damaging the speakers because of turntable rumble/feedback.

    @lament - I don't think Robert ruined Entreat, in fact I think it sounds better than the original album. But then, nobody has the same audio set up. A terrible sounding album on my set up can sound brilliant on yours and vice versa.

    edit - what I sure know is that, compared to some remastered albums I heard, The Cure ones are ,on the whole, excellent.

    This video pretty much sums up how shitty the Entreat Plus mix is.. and it doesn't matter what kind of a setup you have.

    Just listen. It's cringeworthy.

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    @lament - Having had the time to listen closely to both versions of Entreat, I have to admit that the original sounds better, mainly because the new one sounds like a mono mix, the drums especially. However, whoever put up that youtube video is surely taking the p1ss, as Last Dance remastered doesn't sound like that at all on my stereo.

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    On a related note, I'm a big fan of Rdio, but for anything not available on Rdio, I use Google Music. You can upload up to 20000 songs, listen to it on devices, the web, etc..

    Anyway, much like iTunes Match does, to help expedite uploading of songs, it tries to match songs already in their database.

    So I had uploaded the 1990 original version of Entreat to listen to, and I'm listening to Last Dance - and it sounds like shit. Turns out it had matched the new remixed version but for just that song. Luckily you can click on the song and select "Fix Incorrect Match" and it will revert to the original version you uploaded.

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    I'm in the process of listening chronologically to all the Ciure albums, instead of just listening to my favourite lps. What really stands out is the musical progression from 3 Imaginary Boys to Seventeen Seconds. It's almost like 17 Sec. was made by some other band.

    All this Cure talk has whetted my apetite!

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    25 years ago, June 4th, 1989, the day of the Tiananmen Square massacre in China, the Cure played in Rome and played an amazing and emotional version of Faith.

  • i used to big big Cure fan. Faith, 17 Seconds, Pornography, Kiss Me and Head on the Door are all superb albums. I saw them a couple of times on the Kiss Me tour and they were immense, really versatile and great set lists. From that point i just lost interest. Disintegration seemed really one dimensional in comparison to the albums before (Love Song being a real low point IMO). I still can't understand why the fans hold it in such esteem. I saw them play about four times on that tour and just ended up feeling really bored which was unthinkable after the previous tour. I never really connected with anything they put out after that. Still, they put out five brilliant albums which is five more than most bands put out.
    A friend of mine was an absolute die hard fan who had already seen them 50 plus times about 10 years ago. His second ever gig was the pornography tour which i would have loved to have seen as it was my go to 'moody teen album' along with Greed by Swans.

  • @binary - wow, a Cure fan NOT liking Disintegration. That must be a first! Its one of my favourite records of all time. I'm not a huge fan of Closedown or Lovesong so it could have been a 10 track album for me, but the second half is absolute perfection. I'm not sure it would work as an album if it wasn't a little 'one dimensional' - the mood it sustains is incredible, and they'd just done a more scattershot album in Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me, which although I like a lot, does jump around rather a lot from one style of song to another, so no doubt Robert wanted something more focused. It's a shame I was only 10 when it came out otherwise I'd love to have taken your place at the 'boring' Prayer Tour gigs!

    Have you heard most of their albums since? Wish (taken along with its 6 great b-sides) and Bloodflowers are great. I like Wild Mood Swings more than some Cure fans but again weak album tracks could have been replaced with stronger b-sides (see further back in thread). The Cure was a set of decent songs spoiled by poor production and 4:13 Dream was just disappointing all round.

  • There are a few of us! The die hard i mentioned isn't a big fan either - he prefers the versions on Entreat as he says that they pick the tempo up a bit.
    I haven't heard complete albums beyond that point, only bits and pieces but nothing that really made me want to investigate more. i did catch them once at Glastonbury but you know when you see a band you loved and there's hardly anyone left you remember?
    They remind me a bit of the Fall in that there appear to be several really good lineups over the years which produced great albums, but others just go through the motions (plus the similarity in sacking band members!). I saw the Disintegration tour twice in London and twice in Paris - the latter were more fun as it wasn't so incredibly hot but the material still just didn't do it for me (It just seemed like the set was based around the light show). Still bewildered to this day how it's seen as their masterpiece.
    I have heard the same opinion about their b-sides being superior to the album tracks. Wonder who gets to make these decisions? They're certainly not the only band to do that though.

  • I did also go to this gig: http://www.cure-concerts.de/concerts/1991-01-17.php
    which was at the Garage which holds about 600. I remember it as my friend had to persuade me not to see Mark Eitzel instead. Luckily for me Mark's gig was released as the live Songs of Love album.

  • Yes! Got tickets for The Cure in Manchester, even though its almost a year away. My favourite band of all time. Still waiting for the new album, live DVDs, etc promised nearly 2 years ago when I started the thread, and the Wish remaster!

  • @lament You going to the tour?

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    @Thunderbolt said:
    lament You going to the tour?

    Yup I'll be there!

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    So.. the tour kicked off in New Orleans and the shows have been amazing.

    Tonight they played 10 of 12 Disintegration songs.. or basically the vinyl version. Unreal.

    Setlist from tonight and last night.

    And they debuted 2 new songs!

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    Thanks for the link. They will always be my favourite band. I thought for a minute that Step Into The Light was an Afghan Whigs cover

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    Wow. This Twilight Garden live and the return of A Letter To Elise. Yes! The 6 Wish b sides really are excellent

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    @Thunderbolt said:
    Wow. This Twilight Garden live and the return of A Letter To Elise. Yes! The 6 Wish b sides really are excellent

    Yes.. and Burn! Crazy.

    I stumbled on some really high quality Wish-era demos on YouTube. Just search "cure wish demo." I hadn't heard them before.. but hope they show up on the Wish remaster, along with this 20-minute slow, brooding Friday I'm in Love that Robert said was recorded.

    And of course the Lost Wishes instrumentals that were only released on cassette.

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    Those two new songs were great. I really hope that The Cure put out an album soon. Robert Smith, we need you.

    Also, if you haven't heard their tourmates The Twilight Sad yet, do so. They're one of my absolute favorite indie bands. Go listen to Fourteen Autumns and Fifteen Winters.

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    Holy shit.. Exploding Boy was played in Austin last night.

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    Charlotte Sometimes is a favourite of mine...had it on 7" single.My interest in The Cure was re-ignited when they showed The Cure In Orange on a cinema screen outdoors in Dublin as part of Bram Stoker Festival a couple of years ago.Some people danced in front of screen throughout the film as if it was live concert.Fantastic

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    The Cure in Orange is a classic. Still yet to be released on DVD / Blu Ray!

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    @Drop Yes The Twilight Sad are excellent. I love the debut especially

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    My brother saw them Thursday in California and was blown away by both quantity & quality...he couldn't believe how good Robert Smith's voice still is

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